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Re: Mortgage - Time to change
Reply #15 - 30. Jan 2009 at 23:21
 
Thank you very much, I appreciate it, as you can see from soa, I have about £12K in bank and I intend to clear off the debts on as many credit cards as I can. Unfortunately I am unable to get to the shares to them being worth far less than the £5K I invested over a year ago now.

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Reply #16 - 31. Jan 2009 at 11:45
 
Hi momoney,

Firstly, I have a good common sense view of managing money and I've had to cut back my own expenses in the past. However, I am not an expert in reviewing SOAs to find cost savings. I've asked a couple of more expert folk if they wouldn't mind taking a look to offer their comments.

However, here is what I would do if I were in your position. Before that, let me just put a thought in your head ... for you to mull over and/or discuss with your wife. Given that you are part of a family unit, then your SOA is only half of the story, so it is difficult to give a really good assessment. More importantly, it's only half the picture for you too! It is more common than it was for married couples to maintain their own finances and to each contribute to the common good ... and I can see many reasons why this is seen to be a good thing. However, it is my belief, that it hampers the ability to maximise the use of finances for the family as a whole. So, have a think about whether it would be better to pool your resources together and do a joint SOA that covers the whole family - income and expense.

For example, the £500 per month budget that your wife manages for groceries has some room for getting trimmed back to £350 or £400. That would free up an additional £100 to £150 to pay down the debts. I guess that potentially takes us into other territory like ... are the debts in your SOA, debts that have been run up trying to make ends meet for the family as a whole or are they your own debts that you have run from an expensive hobby or a personal passion for designer clothes? If they are effectively 'family debts' then wouldn't it make sense to address them together? However, that then begs another question. Does your wife also have debts that she is managing or are yours the only ones?

So, to summarise the above, if you are a family unit and there are difficulties making ends meet, then consider doing a joint SOA. Something to think about.

OK, now let me comment on what I would do in your situation. As you can see, you have a monthly shortfall of £354. Unless you balance the books, you will get further and further into debt. The danger of consolidating debt onto the mortgage is that you continue to rack up a similar shortfall each month which gets you further and further into debt. More on that later.

OK, so you have £12,000 in savings and an investment of '£5,000' in shares which has lost value. I put the share value in italics because you don't actually have that amount any more - it is a lower amount. My guess is that would probably be worth about £3,000 if invested a year ago (maybe a bit more?). Is there any reason why you can't use that £3000 to pay off your debts? Sure there is the psychological reasoning that says "I don't want to crystalise the loss. I want my £5000 back and I might take it out then"., but that is a flawed argument. There is risk that the value of those shares will decline further, so you may get a negative return on that money. "Risk" is the key word in that sentence. Now let's say you used that £3000  to pay off your Sky credit card, then you'd get a guaranteed return of 22.9% on that money (!!) i.e. you'd save the £687 (22.9%) interest on your Sky card every year.

So, if it were me, I'd throw the savings and the share money at paying off your debts. Pay off the debts with the highest interest rates first. This would be Store Card (£200), GM Card (£4000), Halifax (£3000), FD (£5000), Sky card (£3000). That would reduce your debts by £12,200 and would free up £413 per month in min monthly payments. This means that your monthly budget would balance - probably for the first time for a long time  Smiley

Mind you it is still tight and you don't have much spare cash to start overpaying the other debts, so I'd still look to cut down expense a bit. There isn't much scope in your SOA - but I expect that there might be if you combined it with your wife's. However, you are spending £91 per month on cable/sat TV, broadband and phones. That's quite a lot so you should be able to get that down to £50 per month. Ideas here would be to scrap Sky (I guess that's what you have) or get broadband included in your Sky package and drop the separate charge. I can't see the need of £30 landline plus £35 mobile every month. Should be able to get to £30 total for both.

Beyond that, your car expenses are quite high. Could you sell one car and survive on one? I bet you could if you had to. That would make a big difference. £100 per month on petrol/diesel is a lot for one car or does that cover both you and your wife?

I'd also look to get a lower mortgage interest rate. If you could chop £150 off that, that would also make a huge difference. I can't rememeber if you were on a repayment or interest only. If the former, then you could go interest only for a while to allow you to pay your debts off more quickly. But that's only a short term measure.

Another option may be to enter into a Debt Management Plan (DMP) which is where you negotiate with creditors to pay reduce monthly payments and request them to freeze interest for a period. However, this is only a temporary measure. The SOA calculator has a button "Creditor Offer". Click on the help below the button to read about DMP and how the calculator can help you work out what you can pay each lender.

Hopefully, one of the experts will be along later to offer their thoughts. They can also comment better than me on the DMP approach.

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Reply #17 - 31. Jan 2009 at 14:13
 
Clariman, Thank you for your feedback and comments seems to be there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

To answer some of the questions you have raised, as for the debts these have mainly been to upkeep of the family rather than flaunt on an expensive hobby, the only expensive hobby is that I like my car and I'm one of those guys who like to regularly buff and keep it in tip top condition. The loan was for the car, and the car is worth maybe now about £8K but I don't have any other expensive hobbies, I don't drink, smoke or have extravagent tastes for clothes or going out to expensive restaurants.

As for the wife she does have some debt and I believe this is about £5K, but then she does seem to have a high amount of disposable income remaining since she gets about £400 more per month(I think I should have also become a teacher!! Embarrassed)

As for Petrol or diesel in this case, I do end up raking mileage on my car for work and get that back each month so probably get back about an average £40 per month as an expense, even more sometimes.

I take your comments about sky, telephone etc but my mobile is on a 12 months contract so I can't end that at this stage and my BT is also a fixed term contract due to an offer from BT.

As for the shares, well these at present worth about 58p each, so in total I only get back about £1500 which is a 1/3rd I put in, so I think I rather wait at this stage but certainly if I get back about £3K I will take your advice and consider selling them.

Finally, the mortgage it is at present on an interest only, which is to go up to £783 this month from £723. Ideally I was hoping to change the mortgage to repayment, but since I pay over £213 per month to Tesco for a loan this makes it difficult to switch at present that loan does end mid 2010. Your suggestion of speaking to my debtors and asking for reduced payments is what I did with LLoyds TSB and I'm concerned that maybe that is why First Direct refused my mortgage application, I've received my credit report and there is nothing adverse I can see other than that and I suppose I do have a large number of credit cards I posses most with debts on them but all maintained with regular payment. Therefore would this cause a problem if I decide to change my lender if I have payment plans in place for outstanding debts or should pay off the cards and then apply. One last thing I forgot to mention a £2K overdraft which I have on my account and which I definately want to clear and reduce down. Personally I noticed over the 5 year period First Direct have charged me over £3.5K in charges from what I can see, so was considering on contacting them about the unfair charges and may get a refund of some kind, but maybe that wishful thinking.
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Reply #18 - 31. Jan 2009 at 14:45
 
Quick comments.

Yes, a DMP can trash your credit rating. See the Offer to Creditors (AKA Debt Management Plan) Help on the SOA Calculator. Direct link is here http://www.makesenseofcards.com/soacalchelp3.html for more info.

Regarding the shares, I can understand the reluctance but remember there is risk that they could go down further in value. Might be worth taking some advice or seeing what the outlook is for those companies or industries that you have invested in.

Your £2K overdraft should also appear on your SOA - the SOA should have a full and accurate picture. If you get petrol expenses reimbursed then you should net that off your SOA, but remember to claim them regularly!

Regarding the phone and tv costs. You may be on contracts but check the Ts & Cs, reduce the number or length of calls, replace SKY with freeview etc. I know that it is painful to cut things out, but you will only get clear of the debts if you make some tough choices.

Given what you have said about your wife's disposable income, I feel pretty strongly that you should do one of the following:

(a) renegotiate who pays for what and how much

or

(b) put your money in a joint account and act as a single unit

I know those choices are easier to write down than they are to put into action: particularly if you have slightly different attitudes to money or like your financial independence, but I think it would be a good move. If your wife doesn't know about your debts (does she?) then that's another challenge you'll have.

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Reply #19 - 31. Jan 2009 at 14:49
 
P.S. regarding claiming back bank charges. There is some useful info here http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/oft-bank-charges
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Reply #20 - 31. Jan 2009 at 16:49
 
Sorry, about the overdraft I didn't realise I left it off until this morning, is it worth doing a final and revised soa with the fuel costs amended and an addition for the overdraft.

As for the payment plans, the main outgoing on my debt despite being the lowest apr is my loan which is has a balance of 3.5K to settle, otherwise this takes a large chunck of my salary being £215 per month.

I will re-do a new soa if you don't mind giving this quick glance.

My wife is aware of the SOA, and she said she is happy to pay torwards a repayment mortgage if it helps but my thought is to leave it on interest only for 12 more months clear as many debts as possible and then try to re-apply next year assuming the financial forecast is better. As for the bonus this happens in the shape of £500 per quarterly, but I've added this as a monthly figure not sure if you like me to include this.

I will need to look at the other costs you have stated.
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Reply #21 - 31. Jan 2009 at 17:36
 
Financially you'd clear your debts more quickly paying off the higher APR ones such as credit cards. Sure they might not free up so much monthly cash, but you'd be better off in the long run paying highest first. Possible exception would be the Store card which has highest APR but is quite small.

Happy to look again. Sorry no-one else has posted.

It is up to you how you show the bonus. If it were me, I'd probably exclude it from the SOA (unless guaranteed), so that I can be sure my SOA balanced even if I didn't receive it. I'd then use it to pay off a lump sum off the debts when I do get paid it.

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Reply #22 - 31. Jan 2009 at 18:17
 
You have a lot of cash and also £5k in shares and bonds.  You need to sell those and use almost all this to clear the majority of your credit card debt.  Then you will have no cash flow problems.  Close the cards as you clear them and stop using them!

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Reply #23 - 31. Jan 2009 at 18:21
 
Unfortunately I am unable to get to the shares to them being worth far less than the £5K I invested over a year ago now.

Then you should have put the CURRENT value in your SoA.  Forget the 5k - that is history - what are they worth now?  You are paying 22% plus on your debts - by selling the shares now (whatever they are worth) you will be locking in  return of 22% on them.

The fact that you have lost money is irrelevant.  You whatever is left in the wisest way - by clearing your debts.

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Reply #24 - 31. Jan 2009 at 23:57
 
I have amended my SOA to include the bank overdraft which I definately need to reduce if not clear altogether if anyone could suggest please.

Here goes, third time lucky.

Statement of Affairs and Personal Balance Sheet

Household Information

Number of adults in household........... 2
Number of children in household......... 2
Number of cars owned.................... 2

Monthly Income Details

Monthly income after tax................ 1550
Partners monthly income after tax....... 0
Benefits................................ 0
Other income............................ 0
Total monthly income.................... 1550


Monthly Expense Details

Mortgage................................ 783
Secured loan repayments................. 0
Hire Purchase (HP) repayments........... 0
Rent.................................... 0
Management charge (leasehold property).. 0
Council tax............................. 0
Electricity............................. 0
Gas..................................... 0
Oil..................................... 0
Water rates............................. 55
Telephone (land line)................... 30
Mobile phone............................ 35
TV Licence.............................. 15
Satellite/Cable TV...................... 16
Internet Services....................... 10
Groceries etc. ......................... 0
Clothing................................ 15
Petrol/diesel........................... 60
Road tax................................ 20
Car Insurance........................... 50
Car maintenance (including MOT)......... 20
Car parking............................. 0
Other travel............................ 0
Childcare/nursery....................... 0
Other child related expenses............ 0
Medical (prescriptions, dentist etc).... 5
Pet insurance/vet bills................. 0
Buildings insurance..................... 15
Contents insurance...................... 5
Life assurance ......................... 20
Other insurance......................... 6
Presents (birthday, christmas etc)...... 0
Haircuts................................ 5
Entertainment........................... 20
Holiday................................. 0
Emergency fund.......................... 25
Total monthly expenses.................. 1210



Assets

Cash.................................... 12000
House value (Gross)..................... 215000
Shares and bonds........................ 5000
Car(s).................................. 8500
Other assets............................ 0
Total Assets............................ 240500



Secured & HP Debts

Description....................Debt......Monthly...APR
Mortgage...................... 167000...(783)......0
Total secured & HP debts...... 167000....-.........-  


Unsecured Debts
Description....................Debt......Monthly...APR
GM Card........................95........0.........24.9
Virgin.........................900.......0.........0
First Direct...................5000......148.......22.9
Overdraft......................2000......0.........16.7
Lloyds TSB.....................9500......85........6.9
MBNA...........................1200......25........23.9
Satendar.......................1500......36........22.9
Store Card.....................200.......8.........29
Tesco Loan.....................3500......215.......6.1
Total unsecured debts..........23895.....517.......-  



Monthly Budget Summary

Total monthly income.................... 1,550
Expenses (including HP & secured debts). 1,210
Available for debt repayments........... 340
Monthly UNsecured debt repayments....... 517
Amount short for making debt repayments. -177


Personal Balance Sheet Summary
Total assets (things you own)........... 240,500
Total HP & Secured debt................. -167,000
Total Unsecured debt.................... -23,895
Net Assets.............................. 49,605


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Reply #25 - 01. Feb 2009 at 14:07
 
Hi Clariman, did you get a chance to check my amended SOA I've removed the additional £2K bonus as you said in case it does not happen especially in current climate; I've also amended the petrol expense to reflect the mileage allowance from work.
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Reply #26 - 01. Feb 2009 at 14:22
 
momoney wrote on 01. Feb 2009 at 14:07:
Hi Clariman, did you get a chance to check my amended SOA I've removed the additional £2K bonus as you said in case it does not happen especially in current climate; I've also amended the petrol expense to reflect the mileage allowance from work.

Good thanks for that. However, we're still not quite there with the SOA I think. Your last SOA misses out the Sky and Halifax debts which were on the previous one. Also the GM debts figures have changed substantially. Could you check?

By the way, you don't have to type your SOA in from scratch on the calculator every time. There is a "Save SOA Data" button which stores it away for you so that you can come back and edit it next time.

My basic advice remains unchanged though.

1. See if you can maximise your joint income with your wife by pooling income etc.
2. Use Savings and Share-sale to reduce outstanding debts and ...
3. ... cut back on monthly spending so that your SOA balances and you have a surplus with which you can pay off the debts
4. Remember to pay high interest rate debts first.
5. Try to negotiate a better mortgage deal to free up more cash
6. If you can't do the above then maybe consider a DMP where you prorata your payments across all debts and get interest frozen. However, this will trash your credit rating and is only a temporary measure.

Ideally, I'd like someone more than expert than me to comment on the DMP option. Manz - are you still reading this thread? Col - are you lurking?

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Reply #27 - 01. Feb 2009 at 19:17
 
momoney wrote on 29. Jan 2009 at 21:27:
.....my partner also works and earns £34,500 and I've not included her into the SOA since she pays for monthly shopping which comes to about £500, £120 Council tax, £40 Electric and £60 Gas.

Your partner gets net over £2k a month and spends £720 - what happens to the other £1300+? £500 a month for groceries for a family of 4 is WAY too much. You could easily get that down to £300 with value products, special offers & coupons. That's another £200 a month to throw at your debt.

With £17k savings to reduce your debt and so much scope for reducing outgoings, I don't see you have a problem.
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